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		<title>Comment on Giving deference to the adequacy of reasons by Chad Conrad</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/28/giving-deference-to-the-adequacy-of-reasons/#comment-208435</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/28/giving-deference-to-the-adequacy-of-reasons/#comment-208435</guid>
		<description>Your concluding paragraph shows, in my view, why adequacy of reasons does not belong with substantive judicial review. Consider a completely inadequate reason for an ADM's decision, something objectively inadequate on its face, maybe in the nature of "because we say so", or maybe one that fails to address what was at issue. I submit that to provide such a reason is not to provide a reason at all, and is thus a failure to provide procedural fairness. In other words, if a failure to provide reasons contravenes PF, so must inadequate reasons contravene PF. In my view, there were either adequate reasons (ones that provided a logical route to the decision, etc.), or there were not. This should be evaluated on a standard of correctness with no deference owed to the AGM. 

This comment is my own view and does not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your concluding paragraph shows, in my view, why adequacy of reasons does not belong with substantive judicial review. Consider a completely inadequate reason for an ADM&#8217;s decision, something objectively inadequate on its face, maybe in the nature of &#8220;because we say so&#8221;, or maybe one that fails to address what was at issue. I submit that to provide such a reason is not to provide a reason at all, and is thus a failure to provide procedural fairness. In other words, if a failure to provide reasons contravenes PF, so must inadequate reasons contravene PF. In my view, there were either adequate reasons (ones that provided a logical route to the decision, etc.), or there were not. This should be evaluated on a standard of correctness with no deference owed to the AGM. </p>
<p>This comment is my own view and does not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should They Stay or Should They Go? Occupy, The City and the Charter by Jennifer Koshan</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/11/11/should-they-stay-or-should-they-go-occupy-the-city-and-the-charter/#comment-207706</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Koshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/11/11/should-they-stay-or-should-they-go-occupy-the-city-and-the-charter/#comment-207706</guid>
		<description>For a comment on the Occupy litigation in Ontario, see http://www.thecourt.ca/2011/12/28/freedom-of-expression-the-occupy-movement-and-the-dismantling-of-tents-a-case-comment-on-batty-v-city-of-toronto/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a comment on the Occupy litigation in Ontario, see <a href="http://www.thecourt.ca/2011/12/28/freedom-of-expression-the-occupy-movement-and-the-dismantling-of-tents-a-case-comment-on-batty-v-city-of-toronto/." rel="nofollow">http://www.thecourt.ca/2011/12/28/freedom-of-expression-the-occupy-movement-and-the-dismantling-of-tents-a-case-comment-on-batty-v-city-of-toronto/.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on “The proof of the pudding is in the eating” that litigation is not the best way to quantify interim costs. by David Laidlaw</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2012/01/11/%e2%80%9cthe-proof-of-the-pudding-is-in-the-eating%e2%80%9d-that-litigation-is-not-the-best-way-to-quantify-interim-costs/#comment-207674</link>
		<dc:creator>David Laidlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2012/01/11/%e2%80%9cthe-proof-of-the-pudding-is-in-the-eating%e2%80%9d-that-litigation-is-not-the-best-way-to-quantify-interim-costs/#comment-207674</guid>
		<description>Perhaps a Rule Change to allow the Taxing Officer to set the interim costs on a referral from the Court? 

There is a provision in the Court of Queen's Bench Act, s. 11 to allow a reference to the Masters by a judge. My experience has been that this is a little used provision however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a Rule Change to allow the Taxing Officer to set the interim costs on a referral from the Court? </p>
<p>There is a provision in the Court of Queen&#8217;s Bench Act, s. 11 to allow a reference to the Masters by a judge. My experience has been that this is a little used provision however.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Giving deference to the adequacy of reasons by walt paterson</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/28/giving-deference-to-the-adequacy-of-reasons/#comment-206176</link>
		<dc:creator>walt paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/28/giving-deference-to-the-adequacy-of-reasons/#comment-206176</guid>
		<description>Appreciate your excellent analysis. Happy New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate your excellent analysis. Happy New Year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should They Stay or Should They Go? Occupy, The City and the Charter by Jennifer Koshan</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/11/11/should-they-stay-or-should-they-go-occupy-the-city-and-the-charter/#comment-198828</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Koshan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 04:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/11/11/should-they-stay-or-should-they-go-occupy-the-city-and-the-charter/#comment-198828</guid>
		<description>The ABQB has released its decision granting the City of Calgary an injunction against members of Occupy Calgary under s.554 of the Municipal Government Act, requiring the dismantling of the Occupy encampment. See Calgary (City) v. Bullock (Occupy Calgary), 2011 ABQB 764, http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb/2003-/qb/civil/2011/2011abqb0764.pdf. Although Charter arguments were not raised directly in the case, they were considered by Chief Justice Neil Wittman, who found that the City's violation of the occupiers' freedom of expression was justified under s.1 of the Charter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ABQB has released its decision granting the City of Calgary an injunction against members of Occupy Calgary under s.554 of the Municipal Government Act, requiring the dismantling of the Occupy encampment. See Calgary (City) v. Bullock (Occupy Calgary), 2011 ABQB 764, <a href="http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb/2003-/qb/civil/2011/2011abqb0764.pdf." rel="nofollow">http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb/2003-/qb/civil/2011/2011abqb0764.pdf.</a> Although Charter arguments were not raised directly in the case, they were considered by Chief Justice Neil Wittman, who found that the City&#8217;s violation of the occupiers&#8217; freedom of expression was justified under s.1 of the Charter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Canada should not withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol by Ahmad Ghazi</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/01/why-canada-should-not-withdraw-from-the-kyoto-protocol/#comment-198394</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad Ghazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 22:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/01/why-canada-should-not-withdraw-from-the-kyoto-protocol/#comment-198394</guid>
		<description>A very timely and well jotted insight. Almost covers all four corners of the issue at hand. However, I feel obliged to point out that the above concen shows no signs of curiousity why Canada has not been able to meet the minimum statndards as were assigned to it, through entering into Kyoto Protocol? I as a student of international environmental law would ask to include this aspect into current discussion as well. Among other things, the above viewpoint clearly points out the following: 

 1. THE REPUTATION &#38; TRUST CANADA ENJOYS IN INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WILL BE ENORMOUSLY SHATTERED! 

"Canada cannot be trusted to stand by its bargain" 

2. CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WILL LOSE TRUST AMONGST ITS SUBJECTS IN ADDITION TO INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY

"Could be difficult for Canada to take the lead on agreements that matter to Canadians"

3. WITHDRAWAL FROM KYOTO PROTOCOL WILL SET A BAD PRECEDENT FOR THE REST OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.

"if Canada withdraws from Kyoto will it not make it politically easier for other states simply to withdraw from other Conventions that are no longer convenient to them?"

4. BLAME GAME DOES NOT HELP AND SUIT TO THE IMAGE OF DEVELOPED COUNTRIES BOTH AT HOME &#38; AT INTERNATIONAL LEVELS.

"When the executive ratifies an international treaty it does so on behalf of the Government of Canada whatever the form of any subsequent administration. International legal obligations attach to the state and not to a particular administration."

Very cogent write up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very timely and well jotted insight. Almost covers all four corners of the issue at hand. However, I feel obliged to point out that the above concen shows no signs of curiousity why Canada has not been able to meet the minimum statndards as were assigned to it, through entering into Kyoto Protocol? I as a student of international environmental law would ask to include this aspect into current discussion as well. Among other things, the above viewpoint clearly points out the following: </p>
<p> 1. THE REPUTATION &amp; TRUST CANADA ENJOYS IN INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WILL BE ENORMOUSLY SHATTERED! </p>
<p>&#8220;Canada cannot be trusted to stand by its bargain&#8221; </p>
<p>2. CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WILL LOSE TRUST AMONGST ITS SUBJECTS IN ADDITION TO INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY</p>
<p>&#8220;Could be difficult for Canada to take the lead on agreements that matter to Canadians&#8221;</p>
<p>3. WITHDRAWAL FROM KYOTO PROTOCOL WILL SET A BAD PRECEDENT FOR THE REST OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.</p>
<p>&#8220;if Canada withdraws from Kyoto will it not make it politically easier for other states simply to withdraw from other Conventions that are no longer convenient to them?&#8221;</p>
<p>4. BLAME GAME DOES NOT HELP AND SUIT TO THE IMAGE OF DEVELOPED COUNTRIES BOTH AT HOME &amp; AT INTERNATIONAL LEVELS.</p>
<p>&#8220;When the executive ratifies an international treaty it does so on behalf of the Government of Canada whatever the form of any subsequent administration. International legal obligations attach to the state and not to a particular administration.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very cogent write up!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Repeal of the Long Gun Registry: A Violation of the Federal Government’s Obligations Concerning Violence Against Women? by Annie Voss-Altman</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/08/the-repeal-of-the-long-gun-registry-a-violation-of-the-federal-government%e2%80%99s-obligations-concerning-violence-against-women/#comment-198369</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Voss-Altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/08/the-repeal-of-the-long-gun-registry-a-violation-of-the-federal-government%e2%80%99s-obligations-concerning-violence-against-women/#comment-198369</guid>
		<description>I would add that the Court has in general been more receptive to positive obligations arguments that seek to keep existing obligations in place and less receptive to positive obligations arguments that seek to impose new obligations on the government (INSITE vs. Gosselin, among others).  As the long gun registry has been in place for many years, the Court might be more willing to entertain a Charter argument to keep the registry than, hypothetically, a Charter argument to add a registry that isn't yet in existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that the Court has in general been more receptive to positive obligations arguments that seek to keep existing obligations in place and less receptive to positive obligations arguments that seek to impose new obligations on the government (INSITE vs. Gosselin, among others).  As the long gun registry has been in place for many years, the Court might be more willing to entertain a Charter argument to keep the registry than, hypothetically, a Charter argument to add a registry that isn&#8217;t yet in existence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polar Bear ‘Special Concern’ Designation Raises Some Concerns of Its Own by Jocelyn Stacey</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/05/polar-bear-%e2%80%98special-concern%e2%80%99-designation-raises-some-concerns-of-its-own/#comment-197913</link>
		<dc:creator>Jocelyn Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/05/polar-bear-%e2%80%98special-concern%e2%80%99-designation-raises-some-concerns-of-its-own/#comment-197913</guid>
		<description>Nigel -- These are really great comments.  Here are my thoughts:

I recognize that much of the delay in the case of the polar bear is due to extensive consultation with the Inuit.  I don't mean to disparage this.  It's obviously a constitutional requirement as well as a requirement of SARA s. 27(2)(c).  Where consultation is required, you are right to highlight the fact that the 9-month deadline in SARA is somewhat unrealistic.  What I mean to point out are two things: 1. if such delays are inevitably part of the listing process, should Cabinet not have the authority to designate a species at a higher listing level (i.e. threatened, or endangered) if information has changed to warrant this, without having to return to COSEWIC for a new recommendation and creating further delay? 2. Why are such extensive consultations appropriate when the only decision on the table is a special concern designation, which has no immediate regulatory implications?  Similar to my argument about the cost-benefit analysis -- it seems to me that this kind of extensive consultation should be happening after the listing decision, when specific regulatory options are being considered.

Your point about the subpopulations is interesting and one that I hadn't thought of.  It turns out that COSEWIC considered this in its 2008 assessment and concluded: "Distinctions between subpopulations or larger-scale divisions based on ecoregions are insufficient for status to be assigned to designatable units below the species level" (iv).  The COSEWIC guidelines on designatable units states "Designatable Units should be discrete and evolutionarily significant units of the taxonomic species, where “significant” means that the unit is important to the evolutionary legacy of the species as a whole and if lost would likely not be replaced through natural dispersion." (http://www.cosewic.gc.ca/eng/sct2/sct2_5_e.cfm).  However, in the COSEWIC 2008 assessment of the polar bear, the most recent scientific information suggested there was "considerable genetic interchange among subpopulations" (10) and that "identified units are not evolutionarily significant" (10).  The finding of genetic interchange was supported by aboriginal traditional knowledge (13).  I think that the DU suggestion is an interesting one for facilitating concrete steps toward species protection in the face of uncertainty and delay.  However, there is a danger in managing subpopulations as if they are distinct when they are not. Conservation might depend on managing threats that endanger the entire population and that account for biological connections that exist between each subpopulation.  So in the long run, excessive DU use may hamper SARA's objectives.

Your third point raises the really interesting question: to what extent can endangered species legislation leverage climate change mitigation measures?  This certainly came to the fore when the U.S. listed the polar bear as threatened under the ESA (see, e.g. S.J. Morah, "The Endangered Species Act: A New Avenue for Climate Change Litigation?" (2008) 29 Pub. Land &#38; Resources L. Rev. 24).   It will be interesting to watch for an intersection between SARA and GHG emissions now that the polar bear is officially listed.  Even though SARA's requirements for a management plan are fairly open-ended, I don't see how the management plan can avoid addressing climate change.

I have nothing to add to your fourth point, other than the COSEWIC assessment highlights this problem and emphasizes the need for co-management agreements.  I would hope that an listing under SARA would only facilitate such initiatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel &#8212; These are really great comments.  Here are my thoughts:</p>
<p>I recognize that much of the delay in the case of the polar bear is due to extensive consultation with the Inuit.  I don&#8217;t mean to disparage this.  It&#8217;s obviously a constitutional requirement as well as a requirement of SARA s. 27(2)(c).  Where consultation is required, you are right to highlight the fact that the 9-month deadline in SARA is somewhat unrealistic.  What I mean to point out are two things: 1. if such delays are inevitably part of the listing process, should Cabinet not have the authority to designate a species at a higher listing level (i.e. threatened, or endangered) if information has changed to warrant this, without having to return to COSEWIC for a new recommendation and creating further delay? 2. Why are such extensive consultations appropriate when the only decision on the table is a special concern designation, which has no immediate regulatory implications?  Similar to my argument about the cost-benefit analysis &#8212; it seems to me that this kind of extensive consultation should be happening after the listing decision, when specific regulatory options are being considered.</p>
<p>Your point about the subpopulations is interesting and one that I hadn&#8217;t thought of.  It turns out that COSEWIC considered this in its 2008 assessment and concluded: &#8220;Distinctions between subpopulations or larger-scale divisions based on ecoregions are insufficient for status to be assigned to designatable units below the species level&#8221; (iv).  The COSEWIC guidelines on designatable units states &#8220;Designatable Units should be discrete and evolutionarily significant units of the taxonomic species, where “significant” means that the unit is important to the evolutionary legacy of the species as a whole and if lost would likely not be replaced through natural dispersion.&#8221; (http://www.cosewic.gc.ca/eng/sct2/sct2_5_e.cfm).  However, in the COSEWIC 2008 assessment of the polar bear, the most recent scientific information suggested there was &#8220;considerable genetic interchange among subpopulations&#8221; (10) and that &#8220;identified units are not evolutionarily significant&#8221; (10).  The finding of genetic interchange was supported by aboriginal traditional knowledge (13).  I think that the DU suggestion is an interesting one for facilitating concrete steps toward species protection in the face of uncertainty and delay.  However, there is a danger in managing subpopulations as if they are distinct when they are not. Conservation might depend on managing threats that endanger the entire population and that account for biological connections that exist between each subpopulation.  So in the long run, excessive DU use may hamper SARA&#8217;s objectives.</p>
<p>Your third point raises the really interesting question: to what extent can endangered species legislation leverage climate change mitigation measures?  This certainly came to the fore when the U.S. listed the polar bear as threatened under the ESA (see, e.g. S.J. Morah, &#8220;The Endangered Species Act: A New Avenue for Climate Change Litigation?&#8221; (2008) 29 Pub. Land &amp; Resources L. Rev. 24).   It will be interesting to watch for an intersection between SARA and GHG emissions now that the polar bear is officially listed.  Even though SARA&#8217;s requirements for a management plan are fairly open-ended, I don&#8217;t see how the management plan can avoid addressing climate change.</p>
<p>I have nothing to add to your fourth point, other than the COSEWIC assessment highlights this problem and emphasizes the need for co-management agreements.  I would hope that an listing under SARA would only facilitate such initiatives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polar Bear ‘Special Concern’ Designation Raises Some Concerns of Its Own by Nigel</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/05/polar-bear-%e2%80%98special-concern%e2%80%99-designation-raises-some-concerns-of-its-own/#comment-197293</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 03:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/05/polar-bear-%e2%80%98special-concern%e2%80%99-designation-raises-some-concerns-of-its-own/#comment-197293</guid>
		<description>Thanks Jocelyn, good to see that you are keeping in touch with us through Ablawg.

Four comments for you. First, the delay is regrettable but one of the reasons for the delay is the need to consut with Inuit and with regional wildlige organizations under land claim agreements. 

Second, the PBSG http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/ identifies 19 relatively discrete populations of polar bear and the boundaries that are associated with these populations. Given that, and given that some of these subpopulations are considered to be in decline and some not, why does the US list PB as threatened throughout its range (and not DPSs) and why does Canada not consider listing "a geographically or genetically distinct population" (see definition of 'wildlife species'? After all we have issued a negative NDF under CITES but we have limited it to the Baffin Bay population. If we can make that decision for CITES why not for a listing decision?

Third, if the main problem for bears is climate change why are we considering withdrawing from Kyoto? I don't expect you to answer this!

And fourth the other problem facing some subpopulations (eg Baffin Bay and South Hudson Bay) is overharvesting largely due to the fact that these are jurisdictionally shared populations. What we need most in these case are robust user to user agreements that establish a TAH and provide a scheme for allocating the TAH between communities that harvest that subpopulation.


Nigel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jocelyn, good to see that you are keeping in touch with us through Ablawg.</p>
<p>Four comments for you. First, the delay is regrettable but one of the reasons for the delay is the need to consut with Inuit and with regional wildlige organizations under land claim agreements. </p>
<p>Second, the PBSG <a href="http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/" rel="nofollow">http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/</a> identifies 19 relatively discrete populations of polar bear and the boundaries that are associated with these populations. Given that, and given that some of these subpopulations are considered to be in decline and some not, why does the US list PB as threatened throughout its range (and not DPSs) and why does Canada not consider listing &#8220;a geographically or genetically distinct population&#8221; (see definition of &#8216;wildlife species&#8217;? After all we have issued a negative NDF under CITES but we have limited it to the Baffin Bay population. If we can make that decision for CITES why not for a listing decision?</p>
<p>Third, if the main problem for bears is climate change why are we considering withdrawing from Kyoto? I don&#8217;t expect you to answer this!</p>
<p>And fourth the other problem facing some subpopulations (eg Baffin Bay and South Hudson Bay) is overharvesting largely due to the fact that these are jurisdictionally shared populations. What we need most in these case are robust user to user agreements that establish a TAH and provide a scheme for allocating the TAH between communities that harvest that subpopulation.</p>
<p>Nigel</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Canada should not withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol by Eric Beynon</title>
		<link>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/01/why-canada-should-not-withdraw-from-the-kyoto-protocol/#comment-197159</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Beynon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ablawg.ca/2011/12/01/why-canada-should-not-withdraw-from-the-kyoto-protocol/#comment-197159</guid>
		<description>Nigel - this is the most succinct summary of the details behind Canada withdrawing from Kyoto that I have read anywhere.  Great job at pulling it together.

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel - this is the most succinct summary of the details behind Canada withdrawing from Kyoto that I have read anywhere.  Great job at pulling it together.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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